Showing posts with label harvest SEO. Show all posts
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Sunday, February 17, 2013

Gagayan De Oro Expats group: Who are they?

 Gagayan De Oro Expats group: Who are they?

There are 970 members registered, less than 70 participating in the discussion, less than 40 live in the area and meet regularly (Most of the time on drinking sessions). So why is so relevant for me to spend time on them on this blog?

Fellow readers it is more relevant than you think. I am member in many forums and contrary to what Mike Farrell says, I have been banned (Proudly stated) from only two: The one mentioned here, and Paul Petrea’s living in Cebu forums. As for Texkano's now defunct forum, he had banned me 4 times to bring me back days later!! Apparently he liked my guts and enjoyed my assaults to his low life warriors-drunkards “friends”! Kuya Bo! Are you reading this? Your Friend Jerry Limp does Lol!!

I have on file more 25000 (twenty five thousands) messages posted in several forums in the PI, all regarding matters related to the expat community and divided in hundreds of subjects filled with agreements, disagreements, controversial and constructive, many useful information for residents and wannabe. But no group was so manipulated by a few to cover up crooked business, violent and criminal behavior as the Yahoo group Expats-in-Cagayan-de-Oro/
The "code of these sexpats is to lie and protect the guilty. These scum that seem to be getting away with their crimes seem well connected and can flout the law.

That been said, is time now to explain what I’m talking about giving you an update on Michael Turner case, a fellow active member of this group. Gagayan De Oro Expats group: Who are they?

According to the Sunstar article  Michael turner told the investigators this:
“Turner said he doesn’t personally know the suspects and met them for a business transaction, whom he identified only as “Mario” and “Jun.” To which the police replied:

“City Police Director Benedicto Lopez refused to buy his alibi as he said they would file charges against Turner if he refused to cooperate”.
 

To which I have to tell you why the police doesn’t believe  Turner's crap.

The photo below and the caption in red are taken from Michael Turner web site on wedding day. On this photo you can see the couple Michael and Marissa Turner with the another couple that is Ansel and his wife Marisa's first cousin the police has filled murder charges.  The one that Turner told the investigators he doesn't know his ID

 Gagayan De Oro Expats group: Who are they?
Philippines Sexpats wall of shame: Gagayan De Oro Expats group: Who are they? 
 "My personal favorite of wedding sponsor and friend, Ansel and his wife. Ansel is the Philippine National Police Officer with whom I went shooting at the Camp Aligar shooting range. Before I left The Philippines in June, 2005, I asked Ansel to take my girlfriend shooting.
Neither he nor I knew that my girlfriend, now my wife, was his cousin-in-law. A few months after I left The Philippines Marissa visted Ansel’s home and saw Marissa’s cell phone screen saver, which was a picture of me and Marissa, and only then knew who my girlfriend was.
Nevertheless, Ansel warned Marissa that as my friend he had been monitoring me while in CdO and that I was seen with many women. What Ansel did not know was that once I met Marissa I only went out with her and that since she was chaparoned each and every night she went out with me by a myriad of cousins and friends, it only appeared that I was out with many different women, when the truth was that only the chaparones changed. Despite his lack of knowledge of the actual situation between me and Marissa, Ansel performed admirably and I am proud to have him as my friend and as my cousin-in-law".
There is more on the wedding about the flamboyant Michael Turner that used high profile officials to build an image of some one important while in the US was just a felon, a bankrupt but the locals made a hero out of it.

And there is this one with a caption: No comments. I'll let you read it and make your conclusion This also was taken from his web site that I will direct you shortly.

Philippines Sexpats wall of shame: Gagayan De Oro Expats group: Who are they?
Philippines Sexpats wall of shame: Gagayan De Oro Expats group: Who are they? "Finally, a Firing Competition Trophy!!
It took seven firing competitions on seven consecutive weekends to get a trophy, but now I have one and it’s not 1st or 2nd Runner-Up, but Champion Regular Shooter Single Stack Standard Division.
Most of the PNP (Philippine National Police), soldiers, and ROs (Range Officers) that regularly attend these events know me by now. So far I’m the only foreigner who attends these events and I stand out in the crowd, not because of my firing prowess, but because I’m different, I have pink skin".
On the same page there is this one that shows how talented people "the cousins" are. Below is Policeman Champion shooter Ansell Ladra, fugitive as of now wanted for a triple murder.

 Gagayan De Oro Expats group: Who are they?
Philippines Sexpats wall of shame: Gagayan De Oro Expats group: Who are they?
"Champion shooter Ansell Ladra, above, receiving his trophy for Champion Lawman, Single Stack, Standard Division, at the City of Valencia Invitational Shooting Competition, a PPSA Level 1 Sanctioned Match.
Ansell is married to the first cousin of my wife Marissa, and we affectionately have called each other “Cuz” (or “Gow”, which in Visayan means cousin) in the past, but after yesterday’s event I think we’ll be calling each other “Champ”.
Click to read this and more here: 

and the best always for last: Would any one tell me please if you know many women in the Philippines caring arms? Below is Marissa Turner in firing training with the champ cousin fugitive policeman Ansell Ladra.
Philippines Sexpats wall of shame: Gagayan De Oro Expats group: Who are they?  "I figured that if Marissa is going to own guns she might as well learn how to fire them, and hit what she wants to shoot.That’s Ansell Ladra, above, the local competitive shooting champion who just happens to be Marissa’s cousin and was one of the primary sponsors at our wedding, instructing Marissa on how to properly grip the Colt 45 1911".
Why Melissa need to own arms?

Click here to see the page for more.

SO! ANY ONE STILL BELIEVES THAT MIKE TURNER DIDN'T LIE TO THE INVESTIGATORS STATING  HE DOESN'T KNOW THE PERSON WHO "DROPPED A CAMERA" MINUTES BEFORE BEFORE THE SHOOTING?"...YEAH, RIGHT!... IT WAS A CAMERA...

The answer is yes! The sexpats in the CDO Yahoo group they do believe! The Farrells, the Belters the Spooks the Clines and the likes they all classified the case as a BS foreigner bashing story, Jil Wrinkle buckled it up as "case close" with this statement:

"Several people who know the shooter said that they saw Mike talking to the guy earlier in the evening. Police questioned Mike about this, and that was the end of it".   

But the team of the Sexpat wall of shame don't think so. It's far for been the end of it. Michael Turner is a member of the Rotary Club of Gagayan De Oro with Mike Farell. In that same club exiled expat Derek Pyrah asked affiliation, Mayor Jaraula was the Rotary District Governor where this RC is part of. Below, is a photo of Turner with Mayor Jaraula and Noli Castro. I don't think Noli Castro give a dime who Turner is but Mayor Jaraula does. 
Gagayan De Oro Expats group: Who are they?
Philippines Sexpats wall of shame: Gagayan De Oro Expats group: Who are they?
  

Mayor Jaraula, everything that shines is not gold! You have honored those expats with special events like "the international night" thinking you may capitalize some how on this relationship but you chose the wrong people. Mayor, it's good to create a pro -foreigner climate inviting foreign investment so badly needed in the PI. 

But those you honor are just a bunch of drunkards, some with criminal record, others with questionable morals and unverifiable "whence came from" reside to your town and make a living investing in brothels. Mayor, don't look  for potential  investors within the expats rushing for a picture with you.  

The ones you need are not there, I'm afraid they will never come unless you clean up the place and restore the reputation of your city. The foreigner Michael Turner who claims to be your friend and convinced you he's a big shot in the internet business is nothing else but a felon, he never excelled in business in America, he never had one. It's all mirror and smoke. He has a passion with arms and drugs plus a violent behavior. Please, step aside and let your Police investigate what they know. 

Evan Iliadis

Wednesday, December 7, 2011

MICHAEL TURNER. Dónde está él pistolero?


Where is the macho pistolero? He disappeared! I heard tirades and guns, and even bombs splashing all over the galaxy that I had to go on hiding for a while in my bunker to avoid any possible ricochet. I read at least 20 posts from him menacing every one on his way (Except Mike Mounstephen "aka Spooks of course!), like the Rotary that he will reveal many!many!many things, will expose the entire country (PH) of thieves, bandits and kidnappers so the country goes bankrupt! No more investors! So ordered the Pistolero! He didn't even spare his Americans clients threatening to file charges against them for estafa (Fraud) because they didn't pay their bill to Sticky Media Solutions. (Which one?) What a big laugh we had lol! And the apocalypse now? It all comes out to:
  
Maricón y mis  cojones



At least for now. It's Christmas truce , the team here decided to a temporary cease fire, besides, is "Beaujolais Nouveau" time. Not really good this year though..

This will be just a short update. We will be back with more, more, much more next year, not only on Michael Turner and Mike Mountstephen "aka spooks" but about some others that have chosen to play it low profile to avoid further exposure. Which this writer pretended to comply. But folks, you can't stop this kind of mentally disturbed sexpats to go on line and splash their crap on the forums. Is their only mean of existence. Exiled by their own country that no matter how many thousands of statements and opinions will post on line no one will care. But do it on the PH forums and...Voila! The replies of the same flocking together will flood your thread. Even the "sexpats wall of shame" will get involved contributing to the spread of your fame as requested. Isn't' it great? Here is an example: Below is a screen shot of you have already read in a previous entry.    


But what you haven't read yet is this: 



 What a difference a country make!.

Come back in few weeks, will tell you more about  the statement! Read it right from the source! No gossips or fabricated stories here!..

And many other stories about famous sexpats and criminals in the Philippines


 From Sticky Media Solution
Related links
www.vap-ripoff.org/Blog/HelpArrestChrisBennetts.html
http://evaniliadisblog.blogspot.comcom/ 
http://rotarycluboftagbilaran.blogspot.com
http://philippines-sexpatswallofshame.com/Guenther-Vomberg.html

Other interesting links:

http://tropicalpenpals-blog.com/Philippines-Porn-tropicalpenpals-penpals.html
http://www.tropicalpenpals-blog.com/Matt-Wilkie-tim-Potter-Guenther-Vomberg.html
http://tropicalpenpals-blog.com/Matt-Wilkie-On-Helping-Expats-tropicalpenpals-Blog.html
http://www.tropicalpenpals-blog.com/Matt-Wilkie-tim-Potter-Guenther-Vomberg.html

Sunday, September 18, 2011

Michael Turner - Gus Rodano and the Rotary International .

nless it becomes necessary by any new event, today will be the last entry mentioning the Rotary in a business dispute that Michael Turner tried to make it a Rotary matter to attract a wider attention from the community at large, thinking also that my involvement is favoring him as the "drama" is taking more bandwidth in the blogsphere. Michael Turner (like Paul Petrea) loves publicity, of any kind, for him, there isn't bad publicity-good publicity, is just publicity. "As long others talk about me, means that "I'm a person of interest! I exist!"
He's miscalculating


Readers, it takes a bunch of time to analyze the mind of a loser psychopath fighting with his past failures and missteps and today's repeat of the same. You don't remake the behavior of a man in his 50's, especially a behavior tight to his DNA, that unfortunately the environment they grew up did not contribute to at least partially alter this DNA and make them better beings. That's the case of Michael Turner.

Since my previous entry, episodes of his new soap opera progressed so fast that before I can digest the first, here comes the next and a third one followed in record time. Let's try to catchup before the next round show up in a screen near us. Ready? 


 
The duel is about to begin. Now on sale ring side tickets get your pop corn hot dogs cotton candy, step right up ring side tickets front row seats. Place your bets now Rotarians, ladies and gentleman. 

In the previous entry, I directed you to the complain Michael Turner has filed with the court against Gus Rodano and other Sticky Media Solutions stock holders, most important, he hijacked his Rotary Club web site and use it to inform us on the developments between him and Rodano. Why the Rotary's web site? He has his own blog, actually, he duplicates the same entries on his!. Here is the reason folks:

By doing so, he creates a circus atmosphere, blaming the Rotary for what happened with his partner Rotarian Gus Rodano, putting pressure on the Rotary to take position between the two (Him and Rodano) and Folks! guess what! He succeeded! Rodano is gone! he's out of his club! He's now "Mister Rodano" and no more "Rotarian Rodano"!.
So,now that both are stripped of their membership, is no longer a Rotary matter! You got it? Is now a "personal matter!" You see how cleverly the Rotary gets rid of the problem? I personally hail the decision of the board of directors to get rid of both, one not worth better than the other. Because, to be honest, this isn't a Rotary matter. Unlike my persistent  crusade to put out of business the Village Aide Program that was a 100% Rotary matter,a Rotary organization defrauding Rotarians and good people to enrich themselves, Turner is pleading a case that has strictly nothing to do with the Rotary. A brief history of the conflict that will be developed further in near future entries goes like this:
 In his previous saga with another Filipino partner that (according to Turner) happened 90% the exact same thing, he won a case in a civil court in CDO having as star witnesses the ones he's suing today! Gus Rodano and others were employees of the then Builders SEO company owned and managed (on paper) by Maricyl Castillon, but in reality under the grip of Michael Turner. This was part of a plot of all of them to put Maricyl out of business, close the "Builders SEO" seized all material, goodby Builders SEO, hello Sticky Media Solutions!  
As you know by now, Turner "rewarded" his heroes by making them instant business owners, otherwise unachievable by Filipino Standards for these young guys, but thanks to Michael their dream came through! Yeah? May be....I any case, let's again applaud the team in a standing ovation, one last time Congratulations! 



Michael Turner went even further in his "generosity" towards the architect of the plot against Maricyl Castillon that is Gus Rodano: He sponsored him (Gus) to join the Rotary Club, the same club Turner was a member. He thought that Rodano's membership in the Rotary will strength their relationship, hey, what the hell, are we guided by the 4 way test or not? I even noticed, that Gus Rodano was on the list of directors in the Rotary year 2011-12, Michael Turner wasn't!  
 
Fellow readers, supporters, Rotarians, Free Masons and any one who chose organizations, clubs, Fraternities and other not mentioned to polish their intellectual or business skills,  I have a message for you, I'll scream it as loud I can to tell you this:
 In my 30 years of activity in the Masonic Lodges in several countries, 4 years in the Rotary, been involved in several business in France and elsewhere, I learned that those who tied the success, growth and prosperity of their business with the organizations above hoping on an over night enrichment due to the members' mutual support windup to be the big losers. 
The winners were those who carefully studied the history and contributions to the Mankind, interpreted the teaching and virtues the organization was built upon, the integrity of the members is composed, listened to their experience, failures and successes, detected the worthy, ignored the "arrivists" - opportunists that  is, creates his own agenda, (If he stays) or move out.    

An intelligent member will always put in  one foot only, will keep low profile on his appurtenance and his actions in the org, playing it a little naive and ignorant, just in limit not to be labeled as stupid, will help to be trusted, he'll see who the real friends are, and those who'll try to abuse him. 

He will avoid publicity in the community, and most important, will approach business offers and ventures in the most prudent manner, separating the wheat from the chaff, provided he knows how to do it!...  Michael Turner and Gus Rodano aren't any of those. The first one, did all the opposite, bet his bottom dollar in the Rotary and ended in tears, the other one, thought that his fellows, mostly Filipinos, will come to his rescue as he did in 2006 for Michael Turner. None was there!..  

 They both miscalculated 

So, the Rotary club of Cagayan De oro got rid of both, not a big a loss, for once I will agree with the Rotary that this isn't their business, eventually, Michael Turner will surrender the web site to whom paid for and belong to, the Rotary club of Cagayan De Oro. Amen, (Rotary) case closed.
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Now that we have separated the wheat from the chaff, let's move on and take a look on the latest developments. But first, the author needs to explain a few things about this entry, just to make the point to his loyal- including Mike Farrell- because if I don't, I'll hear from the sergeant's  loud, grave, scary voice!...

There will be several entries - as the story is unfolded by the characters involved - priority will be given over other matters, (Lucky you Chris Bennetts! A little relief for you, not much though, I don't want Michael to steal the parade, there will be for every one! no worries!). 


As I said before, this is the story of a dangerous psychopath living in Cagayan De Oro that manages to get away despite the harm he has done to locals. (See previous entries). I have rarely seen a foreigner breaking the law every often and feel so comfortable living there, openly making defamatory statements, aggressive as hell.

I will walk you through his business practice in the Philippines, how he creates bogus corporations putting naive and ignorant young guys and girls as a front store, leaving himself and his family out of it, yet controlling, hiring and firing as fit in a corporation but, his name is no where to be found. 
In closing, today I will update you to the latest as recorded by Michael Turner regarding a court decision issued September 17th, apparently in his favor, to me a mix bag. He had filled for a MANDATORY INJUNCTION AND TEMPORARY RESTRAINING ORDER demanding form the court the following: 
(I am bringing you a partial list - but the most essential - of the demands made, then I will direct you to the full - original  complain- if interested by the details. 

l.b. Not to operate and engage the business of Meara
Interactive Inc. and not to open its office and not to run its SEO
business;

l .e. To make and/or submit to an inventory and
accounting of all the business operations, property assets and
equipment of Sticky Media;

l .f. To return all the money collected from the clients of
Turner, Harvest and StickyMedia from the United
States or from any foreign clients and from the local clients;

l.g. To return all money taken by defendants as "cash
advances" amounting to hundreds of thousands of pesos;

1.i. To appoint plaintiff Michael Alan Turner as the
Receiver for StickyMedia pending litigation and accounting.

4. Ordering defendants to pay plaintiffs solidarily the following
sutns:
3.5.a. P500,000.00 as Moral Damages;
3.5.b. PlOO,OOO.OO as Exemplary Damages.
3.5.c. P200,000.00 as Attorney's Fees, plus
3.5.d. costs of suit.
An here is what he (Turner) got in a ruling by the judge (? ) Judge who? I don't see any name on the resolution!
                                     PRAYER
WHEREFORE, premises considered, it is most
respectfully prayed of this Honorable Court that a Temporary
Restraining Order issue against defendants ordering them or their
representatives and agents:
 
1. Not to engage or operate any business that would directly or
indirectly compete with the Search Engine Optimization
business and all its aligned and related businesses and
services as contained in the non-competition and
confidentiality agreements;
 
2. Not to operate and engage the business of Meara Interactive,
Inc. and not to open its office and not to run its SEQ business
and any business that competes with plaintiffs' business;
 
3. Not to collect from any of the clients of plaintiffs, whether in
America or anywhere else, for the billings of the SEO
services rendered by Plantiffs Turner, Harvest and
Sticky Media to these clients; and
 
4. To refrain from doing any act that would cause directly or
indirectly any damage or financial loss or injury to the
business of plaintiffs.




Other relief just and equitable are likewise prayed for. 

And for the rest? The money demanded for damages, punitive and others, legal expenses and more? The money collected from clients to be returned? The cash advances taken by the defendants also? Inventory and accounting requested? Computers and "millions worth of trade secrets, software, servers and all James Bond like fantasies"?  No word on those demands in the resolution
 
Gus Rodano can now sleep the night. He can change the name from Meara to N- (like New) Meara and is all set with the compliance of the order. For the rest, he knows what to do, don't he? He had the best teacher in the sorcery science you can find lol! 
Folks, reading the resolution, what strikes me most are two
phrases, one in the page 8 of the resolution (Memorandum in support of prayer for TR where the judge states this:
"Even participated in and presided over by The Rotary Club of Cagayan de Oro with ex-Mayor Constantino Jaraula leading the negotiations but all were to no avail because the defendants, up to this day, still continue to perpetrate the acts mentioned which have caused and continue to cause irreparable damage to the plaintiffs corporations. Thus, this derivative suit with an urgent prayer for the issuance of a Temporary Restraining Order".

Oh no! There we go again! The Rotary again! I read and re-read Turner's TRO-Civil Action, I haven't see Jaraula's name mentioned. Why the Judge mentioned it? It is possible that there was a hearing held in the case that Former Mayor testified? But he's not on the list of witnesses shown in the complain. What ever it is, why this negotiation lead by Jaraula as a Rotarian and former Rotary district governor  was so important to the Judge? The way it is written in the resolution looks to me that Jaraula  intervened in favor of Turner.  

The second phrase is all over the resolution, repeated times and again. Is about the Harvest SEO company supposedly owned by Michael Turner. The Judge keep associating him with a nonexistent company in the Philippines, unknown and unregistered,but still collecting money from clients abroad for services rendered in the Philippines, by taxed Filipino workers, unreported income by Turner. He has been challenged several times to disclose information about this phantom business, the defendants mentioned it in their counter affidavit, but the Judge ignored it!. Wasn't important for him to examine the integrity of the plaintiff before buying his arguments? All it takes is just a question to realize that he's dealing with a liar as Michael Turner is. He did not...   
But we will do it. 

Readers, in the coming updates, you will know who this crook psychopath is, how he's using a few corrupted officials closing their eyes to his illegal way of doing business and enrich himself, destroying any ones reputation getting in business with him. Finally, I will direct you to the source where you can read everything you are interested, there is plenty, the links there will direct you to the legal documents filled with the court, resolutions and more.I will update it as soon as changes occur. 
Come back in few days for more.  

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Wednesday, August 31, 2011

EVAN ILIADIS-MICHAEL TURNER -THE PAUL HARRIS FELLOWS.

Today, I feel the need to wear my Rotary jacket and my Paul Harris Fellow medal (my wife discovered recently that I still have them) while typing these lines, so we can talk with Michael …Rotarian to Rotarian and under the French Revolution theme "Liberté- Egalité- Fraternité"

Readers and supporters. for 3 years now our crusade of "naming and shaming" sexpats and criminals is paying big. 
EVAN ILIADIS-MICHAEL TURNER -THE PAUL HARRIS FELLOWS.
Evan ILIADIS
Many of the Yahoo Groups and other boards big mouths stars have abandoned them, those still there have been under strict moderation of their postings now limited to "where I can find brown sugar" or telling us "how surprised they were when visited Hong Kong and found out it was a very modern city!!"
They removed from the Yahoo group albums many of these shameful pictures of their wives, Spooks stopped posting on the group and much more, just to name a few changes. Oh.. Gordy is planting vegetables in a new house he has now moved, we don't see him much around, reportedly he's (physically) sick, like the poor guy had not enough with his mental problems…As for Mike Farrell, he too has slowed down his temper and fanfares but always thinking of me - sending me "kind regards:" and the like. Thanks Mike...
Most recently, the latest events in CDO prompting us to look at them exclaiming in dismay "I told you so!" or "Michael Turner will do it again" and he did. Just a few days ago. Like the one who has done it before:

Christopher Bennetts – My Resignation from Rotary

Bennetts said: I officially resigned from the club because I could no longer function as a President while living outside of the Philippines.  There were also the most disgusting false accusations made against me by Evan Iliadis who I have never met.  He has been involved in an Anti-Philippines Rotary website for a few years and by virtue of being the President of RCCM I became the target of a campaign of vicious lies and slander by him.

I do not want to further involve RCCM (Rotary Club of Central Mactan) into what some members consider a private matter but as stated I only became his target because I was a Rotary President and therefore I have a right to defend myself but will not do so here.  I have prepared a response to this allegations on my site Christopher Bennetts.

Evan Iliadis Said : "So what? You are a criminal, a wanted man, a pedophile, a plotter that you almost sent to life in prison an innocent man with the support of the influential Rotarian, your buddy Dave Poley, you are the most disgusting content pornographer in the world, I had the right to declare a merciless war against you until your club get it and do something about your membership. And it did! You did not resign! You were kicked out!.. So just shut up now, leave the rotary alone and keep busy barking under Evan's tree. It's good for your health"!....

Back to our business, this time Turner's  business dispute is,- or he make it look like, - a Rotary matter, something of course the Rotary will deny, as usual will say "is a private matter." 
What ever it is, I feel the need to wear my Rotary jacket and my Paul Harris Fellow medal (my wife discovered recently that I still have them) while typing these lines, so we can talk with Michael …Rotarian to Rotarian and under the French Revolution theme "Liberté- Egalité- Fraternité"

For you Fellow reader that you are not a Rotary Member let me explain you what exactly  this highest Rotary International award is all about.
Any Rotarian, can buy it by making a donation to Rotary Foundation of 1000 US$. Your club, will give you the award in a special ceremony, usually, during the induction of the new set of officers taking place around July every year. You can have one even you haven't contributed a single day to help others, as long as you pay the money. THAT'S IT!
Michael Turner paid for his, thinking that he will now be a member of the "middle chamber" of his club, some one important, as he keeps claiming in his blog that you'll read shortly. Myself did not! It was given to me as a token to "my foul time job" helping schools, elderly and mentally disabled in my village of Songculan in Panglao Island.  Thrilled? Bull shit! a month later I blew the whistle to those "philanthropists" Rotarians of the Village Aide Program  for spending 10 cents to the dollar receiving from Clubs, The Rotary Foundation and from Good people donations. For me, the one I'am thrilled of receiving is those received from the barangay of Songculan and the school.

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In a previous entry about Michael Turner, while I presented you the story containing the truth and nothing but the truth, I also warned who ever this may concerned about this psychotic foreigner, that should he  continue to interact with the local community we'll read again his name on the local news head lines. If this didn't happen yet this time, wait until the press gets involved in this new saga, I'm sure this will happen sooner or later. Let's now begin the story:

Michael Turner, being in his usual ill (dangerous) state of mind, hijacked the Rotary Club of Cagayan De Oro web site to use it as a mean to expose his partner Rotarian Gus Rodano who contributed to the ousting of his (Turner's) previous partner Marisyl Castillon as the latest stated on her affidavit in a Florida court in 2006. Read bellow an extract. 

 EVAN ILIADIS-MICHAEL TURNER -THE PAUL HARRIS FELLOWS.
Philippines Sexpats wall of shame: EVAN ILIADIS-MICHAEL TURNER -THE PAUL HARRIS FELLOWS.



Then, Rodano replaced Castillon as the General Manager of the newly created business "Sticky Media Solutions" having the legal responsibility of the corporation as required by PH law, that this person should be a PH citizen, Turner wasn't.

In his statement on the Rotary's Club web site, he's accusing -besides Gus Rodano - the Paul Harris Fellows Rotarians "Mafia" of his club for conspiracy, helping financially Rodano and also approving the stealing of his business by him and some other partners and stock holders.
At first, it looks like a common story under the "What goes around comes around"  but reading sentence after sentence one realizes is not only filled with crap but also with threats. Knowing the history of this felon, the interested parties should take them seriously. I will now direct you to the original site that he erased after only 3 days of publication claiming he's receiving death threats, and that his lawyer advised him to leave town for his safety. Read his statement here:

He has also posted 49 pages of his complain in a civil court in CDO,  plus other criminal charges with the prosecutors office against 5 defendants, not yet published.

Unless you are a Rotary Member, Who cares about Turner's crap? Apparently no one.. He thinks that all future investors in the PH will be in line to read his saga and this will make pressure to the officials and the court to rule in his favor. He's writing in his blog:

FOREIGNERS INVESTORS,  WARNING!

I would say: FILIPINOS BUSINESS DUMMIES WARNING! SCAMMERS ON BOARD!

Because what exactly happened is a (legal) business scam initiated by Michael Turner and properly replied by Gus Rodano, unlike Marisyl Castillon that she and her family has been eaten in a single sitting by the shark Turner. It was working like this: (Sorry if the sexpats do not understand the subtle language of crocked business, which is not always include pussy and San Miguel nectar, but hopefully some readers from out side will.)

Michael Turner, supposedly has a business registered in Florida USA under the name of HARVEST SEO. there isn't  business registered in the State of Florida  under this name, there never was one from the beginning.  There is only a domain name under  Harvest SEO and you can see the registered owner here
A web site, does not legitimize an unregistered  business. 

Googling the word keys "harvestSEO, I realized he  closed all pages pointing to this business in Florida, cached pages show that the originals were there  between 27 of July and 12 of August 2011. Of course folks! The timing is right! He's now in court proceedings, even worst, has this stalker Evan on his ass! How he can afford to be ridiculed posing as a big shot in a non existing business? See it yourself here. Click on "contact us" and see what you get.

Then, he registered another domain name


but this time putting as registrant his bogus company "harvestSEO" and his name as "Technical Contact"
Working in the Philippines the American way, without proper licenses and business permits would be suicidal for a foreigner and Turner knows that. So he had to legitimize the business by creating a corporation naming it StickyMediaSolutions, the same as the web site that kept the ownership to himself. Here is a partial screen shot of the corporation sheets showing the incorporators involved. His name is not there. I'll tell you why later.


EVAN ILIADIS-MICHAEL TURNER -THE PAUL HARRIS FELLOWS.
Philippines Sexpats wall of shame: EVAN ILIADIS-MICHAEL TURNER -THE PAUL HARRIS FELLOWS.


Turner's scam was working like this:
The US and other countries' clients, were contracting services with Michael Turner, as owner of the bogus business HarvestSEO, thinking he's based in Florida USA.

 EVAN ILIADIS-MICHAEL TURNER -THE PAUL HARRIS FELLOWS.
Philippines Sexpats wall of shame: EVAN ILIADIS-MICHAEL TURNER -THE PAUL HARRIS FELLOWS.

In fact, he had a Florida telephone number but is forwarded to the Philippines.
In his turn, Michael Turner sub-contracted the job to MediaStickySolution inc. in the Philippines, that even though  from day one was his business, he would keep himself out, knowing that sooner or later he will be in litigation with the "incorporators" litigation that he will create from scratch, when time will come to get rid of his partners for reasons that we will have to wait for the defendants to post their affidavit, so we will know the other side of the story. When this time came, he put the date of May 27th 2011 on 4 documents representing 4000 shares making him the major stock holder of the corporation (The defendants had only 2500 shares combined). He got hold of the business, filed the law suit, accused the others for stealing computers, money, softwares and more. Same old story….But this time, he involved his Rotary Club as the main source of the "conspiracy",

One more time, in simple words so the ole fart sexpats understand what was going on since-as I said -this is different of watching the chicks belly dancing at Spooks..

1-Michael Turner, advertised, introduced himself and was known as the owner of a big SEO company in Florida USA. under the name "harvestSEO" No company is registered in the state of Florida under this name. There was nothing, no office, no car, just a telephone number that was forwarded to the Philippines. Any Contract with prospective clients was signed between, say "Delta Airlines" and harvestSEO. Of course, he was letting them know that he's using talented people in the Philippines earning a fraction of their US counterpart and that's why he could do the job for less. 

2- In order to outsource the job in the Philippines, he had two choices: Using an existing Philippines owned business, or create his own business in the Philippines. As expected, he chose the second. He set up the corporation with only 2500 shares out of 10 000, just the minimum required by PH law. All 2500 shares were sold to 7 shares holders, all working partners including Gus Rodano in the position of the CEO. His name, (Turner's) or any member of his family is no where to be found in the act. In reality, he had in his possession 4000 undated shares, that he dated them in May 27th 2011 stating in the affidavit that were given to him at the date above (May 27th 2011)"for valuable consideration"(BS!) becoming  the major holder of the corporation. 

3- Having the foreign client contracting directly with HarvestSEO, StckyMediaSolutions had no clue as to what the original contracting price was, leaving it up to Turner to give them whatever he wanted to do the job. Sticky Media Solution had not access on the accounting of harvestSEO. How they were able to misappropriate funds of Turner's customers? 

4- According to the court affidavit filled by Michael Turner, he became officially a major stock holder on May 25th 2011. Before that, he was unknown to this corporation, other than being a client. The corporation was created in 2006. Why they had to give him a detailed accounting, financial statements and inventory of all equipment? As soon as he became a major stock holder, the original incorporators deserted the premise and left him alone. They went on their own!. It was their most absolute right!...

Sexpats in CDO, your prodigal son that so proudly charged him to represent you in social gatherings and events, will have a lot of explaining to do. You can swallow his BS but Evan will be here to reveal - once again - the truth... stay tuned.... 

In closing, I have reasons to believe the psychopath will strike again. The reasons are the following:

1- A psychopath, never realizes his condition, lives in total denial of his illness disregarding the symptoms that making him dangerous, in his (Turner's) case is once again true by his own delirium seen in his writings: (Click on to enlarge it)



 EVAN ILIADIS-MICHAEL TURNER -THE PAUL HARRIS FELLOWS.


Yeah? A natural born Rotarian? Humm! So that means Rotarians they all have the criminal record you have? They all have blogs assassinating their partners and their families' reputation in their community?
Do you think you'll find supporters by washing the dirty laundry in public? Especially with the record you have?

Readers, this is another sign the guy is far from the reality he lives in.  One of his supporters named "Mike" (looks like Spooks to me) posted a comment on his blog saying:




EVAN ILIADIS-MICHAEL TURNER -THE PAUL HARRIS FELLOWS.
Philippines Sexpats wall of shame: EVAN ILIADIS-MICHAEL TURNER -THE PAUL HARRIS FELLOWS.


My reply to this is:
He can't name and shame. He's not clean. Everything he'll say will backfire on him. Besides, everything he says he hasn't brought a single evidence to back up what he claims happened. The video shows nothing. Some one is moving a computer. So what? Does it say is a stolen computer? May be was their personal computer. 

No, foreign investors have nothing to fear, he's not in the position to boycott investment in the Philippines. Plus, it looks to me like the furniture boss is threatening his master craftsman that left him and opened his own shop fabricating the same designs he was making for his boss. Have you seen any of them in jail?

Folks, this stupid sick businessman must understand that the IT world is foul of copy cats as no other tech brunch. The courts around the world are busy resolving complaints by hundreds every day. But as a geek myself, I have never read anything like this, no one went on line in a psychotic (And dangerous) state of mind to find justice of what he thinks was deprived. Readers,I can assure you that there will be not another Marisyl Castillon case favorable to Michael Turner, it was favorable probably with the help of those he accuses today of betrayal. That's life Michael!  Mga panghupaw og gaba moabot ra diay

What goes around comes around. Excuse me? some one said Karma?

Readers, There will be more updates on this case. I will follow closely this saga, will inform you with the latest, he's trying to make it a Rotary Club matter, I think is a business failure on his (Turner's) part that thought he can exploit for ever local talents enriching himself. As a former Rotarian myself, I'll let you know what "the culture" is all about and why Michael Turner has no weight or a possible strategy to harm any one in the Rotary. I have been able to shut down a crooked Rotary charity business that had in its ranks and was supported by the biggest Rotary shots around the world, including some sitting in Evanston Illinois where the Administration is located. Turner's bla bla bla doesn't scare any one. Unless he comes up with solid evidence (If not irrefutable proof) of real wrong doing of those he accuses, he will pay the consequences of his actions in a big way. 

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Saturday, November 20, 2010

MICHAEL TURNER-THE PSYCHOPATH

MICHAEL TURNER-THE PSYCHOPATH
Michael Turner-a sociopath expat living in Cagayan De Oro Philippines by his own admission  as posted in his blog stated this:
"I am rude, and quite unfinished. Blunt to a fault. For some reason I lack the discretion to use the manners I was taught. For those who I will offend, you probably had it coming. For those that simply find me offensive, get your own blog. And for those that do not find me offensive enough, F**k You.
As far as audience, I hope my mom and my fiance will both read a bit of this".

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It's been long time you haven't read from me about Michael Turner, it was for a reason, that reason is now lifted, the world must read the sordid story of a unique socio/psychopath predator connected to the local elite, committed crimes against Filipino citizens, and still walking free the streets in Cagayan De Oro Philippines,

The story is based on his (Michael Turner) statements and archives of his own blog that I will direct you shortly, on criminal records obtained under the freedom of information act in the US that you will have the opportunity to read right from the source, and also from (some) of his victims that have published their side of the story namely and signed.
But they (his victims) didn't do more than that. They lost faith in the Philippines Judicial System for reparation due to luck of financial resources AND connections, a must to prevail in this country and also of fear because this foreigner predator -Michael Turner - has a passion with arms and showed it in his blog as he did take care to be pictured with some top officials in the country- including the then vice President of the PH Noli De Castro, enough bluffing  to intimidate the locals and make them believe that he's a big shot.


Folks, it's all smoke and mirrors. Michael Turner has never been a VIP in the country. I will show you the techniques he used to built this image that works in the PH, easily swallowed by Filipinos but hard to cross the borders and oceans.

The story I am about to begin the presentation is beyond the ability of any one to comprehend how a business dispute between Michael Turner and one of his partners in the Philippines turned out to reveal the evil, paranoid, schizophrenic behavior of Michael Turner used to destroy the reputation of this Filipino girl and her family right in her turf, her own country and town, to the total indifference of the local authorities and expat community where he's a member. Let's get started.

It's not clear, or at least not known to me, when exactly Turner arrived in the Philippines, but all I am interested is the beginning of his official show up which is the year 2005 when he opened a business there named HARVEST SEO  specialized in promoting the exposure of business in the internet, precisely ranking their visibility in the search engines. For those not familiar with the procedure, and in simple words, it consists of a building with a battery of computers and personnel using them for linking a customer's web site to other websites, something that is a must for  Google to find and index it to their search engine rapidly and positioned on the first pages of the search results.  And that's exactly what people behind the computers are trying to find; backlinks, create the right META words and site maps, then submit your site to search engines like Yahoo, Google and others.
Please note, that on the link above that bring you to "about us" Michael Turner's name vanished, so did from every single page of his website. Also, there is nothing in Florida, there never was, the US telephone number is forwarded to the Philippines.

Under Philippines law, as a foreigner he could not operate a business and did what many others do; hire a dummy to run it using her name. He found Marisyl Castillon, a bright, well educated, a computer science graduated girl in her 20s that perfectly fit the profile of an innocent person when it comes to business. And that's what Michael Turner wanted since he was financing the whole operation with his own money. The business permit issued by the PH authority is showing Marisyl  as the designated owner of the business having the legal responsibility, Michael Turner is no where to be found  in the transaction.


The honeymoon didn't last long. Like most of the foreigners investing in small business that locals have the knowledge and skills to compete, make no mistake as to who the winner will be. The local of course. Filipinos got talent in the IT field, foreign investors know that, those who come with big, fat bank accounts will prevail, others, like Michael Turner, coming here with pocket money they have no chance to survive.


What exactly happened in harvestseo.com  that triggered the creation of a blog authored by Michael Turner for the sole purpose of killing the reputation of his partner -Marisyl Castillon- her family and loyal employees in the most satanic and pervert way?


Here is what we know from the court documents and affidavits of both -Turner and Castillon- that I will direct you shortly to see their depositions.

Michael Turner claims this: (First page of his complain)

But going through all pages of Turner's affidavit I haven't read any thing about fraud, extortion or felonious acts committed, or any discoveries, testimonies, annexed documents attached proving the allegation. The only clear accusation is found in the paragraph 11 of the page 7 of the complain and says this"
My observation to this statement is that it wasn't Turner's clients but company's clients, that  company owned by Marisyl Castillon as the business permit show below bearing all legal responsibilities, therefore all income should go to a company's account and not to Turner's name.





To which, Maricyl Castillon replied in her affidavit read in paragraphs 18&19 of the  page 7 to the same court this:

and this in page 2 of the Castillon's affidavit that was accompanied with about a 12sen annexed documents corroborating her claims and statements. 



And again, reading all sentences, paragraphs and comments in the affidavits I haven't see anything about fraud and conspiracy but just a business dispute  that I doubt Turner could find a judge to bring a case like that in a jury trial as he requested. That's why, we never heard again, probably the case  filled in Florida was dismissed, otherwise, should anything happened to his favor make no mistake that he- Turner - will trumpet the event all over the net.

But we did hear from a Cagayan De Oro court. He obtained a judgment from a local judge to seize what he was claiming as his property from Harvestseo company that continued functioning under the helm of Marisyl Castillon. In his blog Turner said that he moved in to execute the judgment with his lawyer and 20 cops! Yes, you read right.. In the US a Marchal will be more than enough.. How  the police in CDO Philippines sent 20 cops to help a foreigner in a 30 computers seize while local businessmen in similar situations  have to hire  private guards and their own laborers to enter the premise, I will explain you this down the road.

Anyway, Turner obtained what he wanted, rightfully or wrongfully, I am not here to judge, that's not the subject of this story, from this point the dispute should come to an end, the parties involved should move on with their lives and me shouldn't be sitting here writing this blog.
Unfortunately, it didn't happen. And that's where the real story begin.

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Introducing the real Michael Turner as we know him from his blog and statements




 In the beginning of this story and in the title, I labeled Michael Turner a sociopath. I owe the world a reason and an explanation for this, it will be the subject in a few lines from now, but first I must introduce his coming and stay to the Philippines where he still resides, the kind of "investor" he is, his constant troubles with the law, who his friends and acquaintances are, then will conclude with this thing, socio/psychopath, a trendy, hot topic now days in the blogs around the world, the latest I read is this one, very scary, frightening!.  Take a look later when you have a minute, for the moment stay here, there will also be good stuff to read...

When Michael came to the Philippines bringing with him his moderate computer skills and a little money thinking to take advantage of the low wages skilled Filipino workers and loose business laws and regulations, he realized quickly that it wasn't enough to gain a VIP spot in the Cagayan De Oro community, especially that he came without a verifiable curriculum vitae from the USA, worst, fearing that some one will release the skeletons in his dusty closet out in the open, which it did happen as will be published later.


So, he started an image building  job and the Rotary International was the place to be, where Mayor Jaraula was a member and also a former Rotary District Governor. He also joined the Philippines Eagles organization and some others associations. Needles to say that Turner didn't have the basic education and ideology corresponding to the motto of these organizations and associations, it was rather "for the picture only." He was hunting for every opportunity to be pictured with personalities like Senators and Congressmen, visiting the local  Rotary Club, a Judge that he saw in the mall and approach him "for an interview" and click!.. the photo in the blog... He has plenty of these kind smoke and mirrors in his blog entries.


Slowly, he upgraded his profile to the rising star status, the distinguished expat in a sexagenarian /septuagenarian (mostly) sexpat community and was designated as the official port-parole-spokesman that is- in events involving foreigners in Cagayan De Oro.

But we all know, you can only fool few people for a long time, many people for a short time, but not all the people all the time. He, -Turner- in a rush to further extend his image building job and portray himself the kind of "know all " respected guy, he set up a blog recording his thoughts and events concerning him and others, his activities, emotions and depressions that came to bite his ass badly, revealing his personality disorders to its worst, that many overlooked the need to put  together his statements hinting a dangerous sociopath is among us. We could have save a few lives.

The first warning came from his blog entry dated Feb. 20 - 2006 just days before the March 2006 date of the dispute and court filing documents as described above.  In this entry, everything seems to be OK between the partners -Turner and Castillon- he's announcing their departure for New York Sunday Feb. 27-2006. Here is a screen shot of the entry. (Click on to enlarge it)



In this entry, Turner goes on posting a bunch of pictures showing Marisyl in a previous SES event in Chicago held in 2005. Reader, I am sure you will agree with me, reading this entry, do you see any signs of dispute is taking place in that date?  Feb. 20- 2006?
So, what happened in 3 weeks time that it was that bad, to the point for Michael Turner to assault  her (According to Marisyl Castillon affidavit), To go on a jihad destroying the reputation of her and her family trough law suits, blog articles, taking also on third party commentators for been sympathetic to this young girl?

Then, in another entry dated May 24 2006, he went on putting incoherent statements about him apparently written in an uncontrolled mental state that concluded this: (Click on the image to enlarge it)



Alarming signs of a sociopath's behavior that those being close in business and personal relationship should have take into account and try to stop his dementia before he makes more victims. But no one did, not even Marisyl Castillon fearing reprisals, because, I am sure, she knows much more than any one else but she kept silent. With all due respect in her decision, I think she was wrong, she had all the means of fighting her reputation, a computer literate, an educated woman handling English satisfactorily, more than enough to explain her side of the story. She didn't. So be... I'll do it  myself... Not for her, but for Turner's future victims..  

Turner went on with pages and pages in his blog using his relationship in the CDO police , thanks to a Rambo cousin in law- a fugitive wanted for 4 murders that Michael Turner was involved-published garbage from police blotters and "victims" all directed to her family. I will provide you all the links to his blog later if you are interested,  the screen shots bellow gives you already a hint.



  and in another page he wrote this:
Turner's sick, arrogant, I should say psychotic behavior towards the Castillon family goes on unchallenged, unopposed and getting worst posting after posting, when out of imagination  and lies fabrication on the Castillons, he needed other victims to satisfy his perverse  and didn't even spare his own wife.
In another crisis of dementia and need to harm some one, he posted this, in total disrespect to his wife  that read it and felt second to some body else in her husband's life, but the first never been what Turner said she was.. Here is a screen shot.

sarcastic, sadistic,  distressful statement for both women
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 PAYBACK TIME

 But as the saying goes, "what goes around comes around", Michael Turner did not escape that Karma thing. The world heard about him in a big way, From the national (Philippines) press to local Mindanao island press  and to many blogs and forums like this.

In March of this year 2010 he got the biggest publicity he ever dreamed, the one that thousands read it around the world, the one that shows the "powerful" Michael Turner , the "untouchable" above the law foreigner investor  involved in a murder case of 4 people, (The 4th, injured , died later), lied to the investigators and got away with it....

One would think that someone being exposed like this, with real, proven and indisputable facts about his past and present criminal involvement will do one of two things: Keep silent and low profile until the storm goes away and all is forgotten, or make a statement refuting, explaining what really happened that night in the bar that his wife's relative and Turner's idol policeman Ansell Ladra took the life of 4 - 3 soldiers and one civilian.
Instead, he revived his dormant blog where he hadn't post anything since may 2009. In April 2010 and days after the breaking up of the story  wrote this:

And he goes on in this entry to tell us this:
"Gaw (cousin) Ansell Ladra told me these type of ants are lucky and make the person or home that has them wealthy.  I think they are really more indicative of wealth, as in wealthy homes there is more a chance that the ants can feast, rather than that their presence indicates coming wealth".

No, is not about Ants Darts and Dogs. It's about a statement  of loyalty to his cousin policeman Ansell Ladra, the cold blood killer that killed 4 people, Turner knows much more than told to the investigators.
It's about gratitude to his cousin for helping him come out of his depression due to  craving of harming some one, preferably an innocent so we can hate him as he wanted us to do!...      
And he succeeded....

In closing, we need to determine what a sociopath is exactly; If you google the word hundreds of pages will come up, from Psychiatrists to psychologists, Psychoanalysts and Psychotherapist and what ever other Psy I missed, plus forums and discussion boards, you'll go through disagreement, different opinions and descriptions as to if there is association between sociopaths and psychopaths, attaching "special labels" to them like Narcissism and bipolar behavior, predisposition to heinous and cruel crimes for pleasure and more.
But they all agree to the basic description of a sociopath that is:


"The main characteristic of a sociopath is a disregard for the rights of others. Sociopaths are also unable to conform to what society defines as a normal personality. Antisocial tendencies are a big part of the sociopath’s personality. This pattern usually comes into evidence around the age of 15. If it is not treated, it can develop into adulthood.
Visible symptoms include physical aggression and the inability to hold down a steady job. The sociopath also finds it hard to sustain relationships and shows a lack of regret in his or her actions.

A major personality behavior trait is the violation of the rights of others. This can appear as a disregard for the physical or sexual well being of another.
Although these symptoms are all present, they may not always be evident. Research has shown that the sociopath is usually a person with an abundance of charm and wit. He or she may appear friendly and considerate, but these attributes are usually superficial. 

They are used as a way of blinding the other person to the personal agenda behind the sociopath’s behavior.


Many people with antisocial personality disorder frequently indulge in alcohol or drug use. They may use these substances heavily as a way of heightening their antisocial personality. The sociopath sometimes sees the world on his or her own terms, as a place of high drama and risky thrills. The sociopath may suffer from low self esteem, and the use of alcohol and drugs is a way to diminish these feelings".

Reader, do you still have any doubt that Michael Turner fits the profile of a dangerous sociopath?
Turner showed sign of his mental disorders in an early age, he was "decorated" with a (known) criminal file in 1992 at the age of 30 and again in 2002. If I dig further I'll find more..(You need to click on to enlarge the images)




And another one


The original files of the  BROWARD COUNTY CENTRAL COURTHOUSE can be seen by clicking here and here 

PLEASE, TAKE MICHAEL TURNER OFF THE STREETS BEFORE HE STRIKES AGAIN. 

Now that we have seen how Michael Turner is meeting all criteria to be labeled as a sociopath, a question remains: How we call the one, like this writer, who exposes the sociopath and trying to restore his victims' name and prevent the lose of more lives? The Cagayan De Oro  sexpat community  that protects Michael Turner will certainly label him as a sociopath as well.
To which this writer respond, that if such a denomination of sociopath exist, I'll be happy to sign in.
 

Meanwhile, this is not the end of the story. In a couple of weeks, I'll be in Cagayan De Oro and tell you where Turner is and his new search of a victim... 

And just about to upload, this came in from a member of the Cagayan de Oro expats group.
Here is a screen shot of the posting that the guy expressed his most legitimate opinion on a thread started by another. (You may need to click on to enlarge it)


After been flamed by other members he came back with this:


and here is the original thread of the la creme de la creme, the mother of all forums, where scientists, philosophers, know all guys and generally the elite of the expat community gathers to save the Philippines.! Yeah right!.... You now get the picture what this group is all about...

And finally this: Spooks is back in Cagayan!..We are all thrilled!... Happy to have you here! Welcome back Mike Mountstephen "aka" Spooks . apparently tough times in Luzon? It's been long time no talk each other... Time for a chat?